Panel: Beyond the Web
- Jeremy Allaire
- Mike Helfrich, Groove Networks
- Karl Jacob, Cloudmark
- Doc Searls, Linux World
Intro: web is at its core a centralized client-server application architecture
Karl: P2P Spam. 230k registered users since June. Shift from stove pipe companies (Amazon) to consumer-defined (e.g. Classmates.com emerging from inside the network).
Mike: P2P decentralized Collaboration application. Circumvents the inefficiency of centralized IT. Clusters within the enterprise, rapid formation of teams and supporting applications -- a need in business and in modern government. Adaptive systems -- Social Software. Rich Clients for use in perhpheral infrastructure enviroments. Speed and self-healing. Rich person to person interactions vs. rich person to information.
Doc: Decentralization = N-x architeture. Big companies didnt invent the net, technologists did. Trends start with technologists, not customers (or technocrats for that matter). Self-fulfilling vision of a place: no one owns it, everyone can use it and anybody can improve it. Google is a monopoly, but Technorati adds value. WiFi...Arraycom uses smart antennas for cellular broadband. Internet services we dont have yet but are going to be deployed: IM, identity services. Create the infrastructures that others can build upon.
Mike: CIO of DoD recognizes customer determined interoperability (standardization) is key. Great DoD (see post on FCS & Embedding Training) examples of Advanced Distributed Learning using rich clients and institutionalization of knowledge.
Karl: Emergent behavior and network adoption is quicker than you anticipate. Real-time trust evaluation and feedback.
Jeremy: Web not good at Immersive media, multi-user experiences, sophisticated user action
Doc: Email is not a rich experience, but everone needs it.
Marc Canter: HTML is limiting coordinates, time (it is real), media mgmt.
KnowNow: open sourced a component of its architecture
Karl: eBay and Amazon's biggest cost is servers and network, push it to a P2P. What do you open source from these models? Ratings systems?
Mitch: Power of social networks. Military has social set of practices that makes it work just as well as the hierarchy. Makes the same point as my post on Social Software. Community is leadership and guidance that brings people together.
Kevin: the spam problem with open networks? Karl: 99% of the people agree on what is spam, community is self-regulating. Simple rules, complex results. Trust the network. Thinking in the small to define the rules. Large companies could set these kind of rules and then turn it loose. Identity good for centralization, authorization, ratings too.
Karl's points bringsup a big point to me -- elements of a service or relationships or architecture that contain risk should be unbundled and centralized. Centralizing risk allows the pooling of risk. Pooling is in contrast to unbundling risk under centralized control. The analogy is MS's Passport (control) vs. Visa (pooling the risk of banks).
Doc: infrastructures: of the net itself (Vint Cerf, infrastructure is the protocols) vs. application overlays.
Dan Farber: Amazon provides a personal infrastructure. Balance between having a real business vs. creating open innovation is as big a question as De/centralization balance.
Dave Winer: Amazon & eBay opening identity, or a consortium
+ Again, trust
+ Content production costs for individuals
+ Meta data capture costs