Ken Coar and Andy Oliver doing their thing I won't regurgitate. If you want the grisly details, look at the most recent post here. Actually I would have just submitted this as a comment to one or the other blog, except I think neither supports comments currently. (BTW I understand that Ken wrote his blog software from scratch. Quite spiffy.)
I hope Andy resubscribes to community@apache.org. Community is Apache's only opt-in mailing list for the committers at large. If someone wants to talk about reorganization, propose new projects, rant about problems, etc. that's the place. While I agree that it would be a more vibrant list (and I think actually less prone to tangents) if it were not restricted to Apache committers, it's the best we have at present. I like to think that there is a forum where I can bring up an important topic and be assured of decent community representation. I know that can happen neither at general@jakarta.apache.org nor at members@apache.org nor on a Wiki.
I think the fact that the community list doesn't discuss a codebase is irrelevent. The Jakarta General list has its own periods of off-topic discussions. Just delete the subjects you don't want to read, it takes two seconds. It's better than being the last to know about new Apache developments.
I agree that elements of Apache are too closed and too aristocratic. Opting out of the open forum is not the answer. (Wikis are an open forum also, but they're good for documentation and proclamation, not debate.)
On a side note, Ken's blog just made my list. I endorse his blog to my fives if not tens of readers.
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