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Thursday, August 05, 2004

A lesson learned.
A while back, I made the connection between Neurath’s Boat and the Ship of Theseus. I thought the lack of connection elsewhere on the Web was interesting. Only a site by M.R.M. Parrott (MP) mentioned both terms. So I emailed him  (see below), hoping he might be a kindred spirit. MP did not find it interesting and his reply seemed a bit snarky, especially a comment about trolling, and what appeared to be a sig block with a quote about stupid (see below). So I originally posted his full reply on my blog so I could comment on it.

However, a few days ago, MP discovered that I had quoted his email and emailed me to delete it. Guess what, this email was snarky too. Obviously, I was pissed off. I felt like telling MP to f-off. Instead, I made myself think about his request for awhile. Certainly, given that he had sent the original email to a total stranger, he had no legitimate privacy concern. As for copyright, clearly my quotation would be within the realm of fair use, since I was commenting on it and deriving no commercial value from it. So I decided to visit his site to see if it would reveal something about his personality or attitude that would help me decide what to do.

While there, I read his article on wikis, thinking this would give me insight as to how MP felt about posting etiquette, including copyright issues. The article contained the obligatory reference to Wikipedia, but also mentioned a wiki I'd not yet heard of Wikinfo. To make a long story short, it appears that MP posted a Wikipedia entry about himself, which was voted for deletion because it was self-promoting. MP then joined Wikinfo, partially in response to this, where he could post an entry about himself, given Wikinfo's looser point-of-view rules (compare SPOV to NPOV).

Though I do think MP's pseudonymous self-promotion is unbecoming (others may disagree), I do admire his independence, talent, tenacity, and industriousness. Helping to build a spin-off encyclopedia with the posting rules of one's choosing, rather than merely submitting to the authority of others, is a great example of the freedom the open source and open content world is enabling. I especially value the XML import innovation of Wikinfo, which is a great step towards better wiki federation (e.g., I can post MY views on subjects in which I have a POV in my wiki, but link to other wikis for subjects in which I have not [yet] expressed a different POV). This might come in handy for a wiki project I am considering.

In the end, given the sensitivity he displayed in the thread re deleting his entry, I decided to honor MP's request. I post this story here only to demonstrate that if one takes the time to get to know someone else better, instead to returning slight for perceived slight, one can learn something interesting and useful, and perhaps avoid an escalating conflict.


From: nick.gall@metagroup.com
To: "pixel"
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:56 AM
Subject: "Neurath's Boat" "Ship of Theseus"

I recently discovered that essentially (no pun intended) the same paradox has two different names, both quoted in my subject line. Of course I googled the two phrases in quotes and your "Generation of 'X'" was the only hit. (There's a googlism for a search that returns exactly one hit, but I can't remember what it is.)

What struck me as curious, and hence motivated this email, was that you did not seem to notice the connection. The two phrases are used in distant parts of your book. Did you think they are the same paradox? If so, why no connection in your book? If not, why not?

Given that both are fairly well known paradoxes, I'm surprised that no one has made the connection. I guess I will have to do so on Wikipedia and my blog.

-- Nick


MRM's Signature Block:

"Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid."

- http://users.gurulink.com/drk/humor/flame.html

[BTW, this flame is indeed the best flame I have EVER seen. -- NLG]


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