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Wednesday, January 05, 2005



TORTURE UPDATE

....It appears that the military's Southern Command has decided to open an investigation into FBI reports of torture being used on prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.

Of course, the FBI reports were sent to the military in the first place, so they've known about this for a long time. The only thing that's changed is that now a lot of other people know about it too. In other words, they don't really care if prisoners are being tortured. They only care if anyone else finds out about it. Makes you proud, doesn't it?

Actually, the military abhors torture. That is why so many Generals are opposing the Gonzalez nomination. A lot of this may have to do with simple military tactics. In war, collapse of the enemy is accelerated when the soldiers on the other side know they will be well treated if they surrender. It is why the German Army was forced into an Armistace in World War I (not because the Allies were winning on the battlefield, basically the German Army gave up and started surrendering enmasse, we--the French, British and Americans-- basically were pretty inept at fighting that war) and why the Western Front collapsed in World War II while the Germans fought to the death against the Russians--or tried desparately to escape west so they could surrender to the Americans or British.

Now the USA seems willing to pay the price of American captives being tortured because of what the Bush people are doing right now to approve torture.  Torture for information simply doesn't work. People will say anything to stop the pain.

We beat the Nazis without torture, and we beat the Soviets without torture.

We can beat a few thousand muj without torture, and in fact I believe that if we start using torture, we will in fact lose to them. Because their game is to turn America into what they view it as, a global tyrant willing to use any method, including torture, to protect its ungodly interests.

That, in fact, is what Osama Bin Laden wants us to do. Go that route, and muslims will flock to him. We've gone too far down that road already.  Torture is materially harming our chances in this so-called "war on terror," it has cost us the moral high ground, and it is turning the world against us. Oh, and it's illegal. These are some damn good reasons why it needs to stop and why those who authorized or excused these atrocities need to take responsibility for their actions and need to be fired.

Not that I expect that to happen, of course, since the Bush administration is famous for not requiring anyone to accept responsibility for anything.

It's funny. As soon as you bring up torture, the conservatives become moral relativists.

Posted by: bad Jim on January 5, 2005 at 7:20 PM




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