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 Wednesday, March 3, 2004
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Poor Geoff must be in mourning today, after Kerry's victory last night. I'm tempted to snip some of this, but space is cheap, so let's go ahead and finish out the discussion properly:

Geoffrey Riggs (Feb. 29)

[Answering me:]

Why not? Are they going to call of the remaining state primaries? No. You're concerned that people will conclude that it's "all over" and voters will therefore not bother to vote against him in subsequent primaries. Isn't that what I said?

In effect, because of Kerry's by then crushing momentum, the effective result will indeed be as if the subsequent primaries had been called off. We can't afford to demoralize any effective effort to create momentum for a rival and to slow down momentum for Kerry. Also, remember that this isn't a zero sum game. We want to expand the percentage of people voting for a good alternative to Kerry, not leave it in place or allow it to shrink. And momentum is the key to that process. Leave things as is by fragmenting the anti-Kerry vote and one is not dealing with a zero sum game. One is dealing with a universe where Kerry's momentum causes him to continually expand his support and accelerate his march toward victory.

[In other words, it's all about the momentum. Isn't that what I said?]

Why does it need to be concentrated into only one figure, except for the sake of momentum? In terms of delegates, any delegate won by, say, Kucinich, is still one less delegate that Kerry gets. Either Kerry gets the 2,161 delegates necessary to secure nomination, or he doesn't. If he doesn't, it makes little difference whether the lost delegates all went to a single opponent or to a combination.

It makes a huge difference. If two candidates get 14% apiece in a particular area then neither winds up with any delegates because you need 15% to attain viability and gain delegates to begin with. On the other hand, combine those 14% showings to create a 28% showing and you're not only guaranteed delegates but you've also achieved a respectable showing which has the potential to create momentum for a particular opponent and to slow momentum for Kerry. Remember too that positive momentum can only be conferred on a Kerry opponent if that Kerry opponent starts enjoying good showings at the expense of other Kerry opponents. In addition, remember that any momentum enjoyed by an anti-Kerry candidate usually will also cost Kerry momentum. Momentum is a zero sum game.

[You're right that the viability threshold makes votes for a candidate who will get less than 15% in the district "wasted". But that doesn't always translate to Edwards being the best strategic anti-Kerry vote. If you're somewhere where anyone else is viable, voting for him can be just as good; and if Edwards is unviable there, then voting for someone else is even better. That's why I gave Kucinich in Hawaii as an example. For a Hawaiian voter, voting for Edwards was the "wasted" vote.

[Also, is it 15% in all places? I think the rules vary.]

It's not as if each state is winner-take-all. There are indeed districts where the math will work out so that an Edwards vote is more strategic than a vote for someone else in terms of denying delegates to Kerry, but there will be other districts where it's the reverse. In Hawaii, for example, if all the Edwards voters had switched to Kucinich, it would have cost Kerry two, maybe three delegates.

You're saying that it's more important if Kerry comes out with 10 delegates and Kucinich comes out with one delegate then if Kerry comes out with 11 delegates and the votes split between Edwards and Kucinich and one winds up with none in the anti-Kerry column. But that ignores the factor of momentum. Kucinich getting one or two delegates does nothing to slow Kerry's momentum or to confer momentum on a Kerry opponent. An across-the-board strong showing for a single Kerry opponent, on the other hand, confers momentum on a particular Kerry opponent and slows Kerry's momentum.

[In other words, it's all about momentum. Isn't that what I said?]

[By the way, I assume your numbers are just for the sake of example, but lest anyone get the wrong idea, the actual delegate assignments in Hawaii were Kerry 14, Kucinich 6, Edwards 0.]

This makes no sense. A vote taken from Edwards and given to Dean cripples Edwards, but a vote taken from Kerry and given to Dean does no harm to Kerry. I fail to see the logic here.

Because Dean now has no credibility as a candidate, so any votes for him will not have the Kerry-slowing effect that a significant showing for Edwards will have, in part because the numbers involved in such defections will probably be small. On the other hand, everyone's watching Edwards' totals very closely, and any time Edwards falls short of expectations that hurts the anti-Kerry cause and helps Kerry. On the other hand, because Dean's already been written off, votes for Dean instead of Kerry will most likely be written off. This is so because the reality of the situation is that the number of possible Kerry votes lost to Dean will probably be minuscule and therefore minuscule in their impact on Kerry, but the number of votes lost to Edwards, no matter how minuscule, will be much more noticeable. They will probably be more effective as well, since the chances are Edwards' totals will be greater than Dean's, to begin with.

I will also remind you that it won't take much to deprive Edwards of credibility. A 10% or 14% showing for Dean will do little or nothing to restore Dean's candidacy to credibility. But that 10% or 14% showing could be enough, if transferred to Edwards, to give Edwards viability for delegates, to give him a respectable second-place showing within single digits, or perhaps even to give Edwards his margin for victory. And one cannot make the same argument for Dean in reverse because, realistically, Dean has no momentum to build on and therefore probably won't be able to use that 10% or 14% showing to any great purpose. On the other hand, Edwards does have momentum on which he can build this week, due to his unexpectedly strong showing in Wisconsin, as well as the fact that many don't perceive him as a loser, which is unfortunately exactly how most perceive Dean. But let Edwards sink below the surface on Super Tuesday (by voting for Dean or whoever) and Edwards most assuredly will be perceived as a loser and we will have lost our window to stop Kerry.

[In other words, it's all about momentum. Isn't that what I said?

[I keep asking that; let's go back and check. Ah yes, here it is. I wrote:

A vote for Dean (or Kucinich, or Clark...) is a vote for Kerry only to the extent that electoral momentum for Edwards will help motivate more voters to choose someone other than Kerry down the line. In terms of relevance of the delegate at the convention, a Dean delegate is no more or less anti-Kerry than an Edwards delegate [...]

[I don't think we're disagreeing here.]

A word too about the hope that Dean will somehow be resurrected if, in the wake of a Super Tuesday defeat, Edwards' candidacy dies. I don't buy it. In 1980, Kennedy came roaring back to life in the Democratic presidential contest in the last month, winning primary after primary. But it was too late. Carter still won the nomination because at that point the math was inexorable. But the math is not inexorable here. Only one quarter of the delegates have been selected, and if Edwards runs the table on the 9th with four Southern states, including the delegate-rich states of Texas and Florida, and then follows that up with a victory in the equally delegate-rich state of Illinois on March 16th, not only will the psychological momentum be reversed but the mathematical momentum will be reversed as well.

[I had never heard anything about a resurrection of the Dean candidacy, though I did hear something similar about the Clark candidacy. I don't buy it either. I think both are somebody's wishful thinking with no basis in reality.]

Geoff, you continue to amplify but fail to clarify. I still don't know if your "alarm" about Kerry is only because you feel he can't win against Bush or if you also feel he'd be a bad president.

Fair question. In fact, I feel that Kerry would be an unsuccessful candidate and make a poor President, should he get in (though the latter remains unlikely, IMO).

Just look at what the Democrats are on the brink of offering us in a man like Kerry. A man who's accepted special interest money as long as your arm, who's had dealings with Johnny Chung, for crying out loud, whose record on fiscal discipline is as bad as Bush's and who spends far too much of his campaigning time sounding like a drone!

This is not who we need. And the Democrats are guilty of real hubris if they think a downer like this guy will defeat Bush! At least, Bush occasionally reminds us what a great country this is. When have you last heard Kerry say anything remotely like that? And. This. Is. A. Great. Country. Thank. You. Very. Much. That fact happens to be precisely why al-Qaeda is after us, by the way.

[You lost me there. Al-Qaeda is after us because ... what? Because we're a great country? Because Bush says we're a great country? Because Kerry doesn't say we're a great country?]

You may think these are crocodile tears, but I regret that Bush is damaged goods today. When he went into Afghanistan, he rarely let us forget why our country happened to be so special. If Bush has now outlived his usefulness in the global fight against al-Qaeda -- and I soberly believe he has -- I'd at least want him replaced by someone with some conception of just why this nation is so unique.

Kerry will never give us that in a month of Sundays!

Now I don't pretend that Edwards is perfect. But at least he is more of a centrist than the pathetic Kerry, as shown by Edwards' stricter voting stats in the Senate indicating a tighter eye on fiscal discipline than Kerry ever had. Edwards' previous history of campaign spending in the Senate is not a grotesque Who's Who of every sleazy contributor ever to darken the doors of besieged Congressional offices! And Edwards really has bothered to remind his listeners at every opportunity just how fortunate we are to live in this country, and what this country continues to mean to those under the heel of tyranny abroad.

Like Bush, Edwards seems to take the legacy of our country seriously. In doing that, he appears willing in his remarks to risk being called a sentimentalist even, especially among his own frequently jaded Democratic peers. And I admire that.

[Before you go on, a few observations:

[I think you exaggerate Kerry's debt to "special interests". The misleading Republican ad notwithstanding, Kerry's contributions from interest groups is no worse than average for a Democratic senator.

[For those who haven't heard the analysis, it goes like this: The GOP ad states that Kerry has received "More special interest money than any other senator." The source for this claim is a Washington Post article which says Kerry "has raised more money from paid lobbyists than any other senator over the past 15 years".

[In other words, the ad first reduces the field by comparing Kerry's 15 years with the shorter careers of most other senators, and second equates "special interest money" with contributions from individuals who are employed as lobbyists. What they fail to mention is that donations from individual lobbyists makes up a small portion of lobbyist money (because of limits on individual contributions), and the bulk of it is funneled through political action committees (PACs). Kerry refuses to take any money at all from PACs. As a result, although he's number one when counting contributions from individual lobbyists, when counting lobbyists and PACs combined, he's number 92.

[When you add PAC money to the equation, the numbers look rather different. According to the Post article, Kerry received $640,000 from lobbyists over his four Senate races. By contrast, PAC money in 2004 alone was $1,533,069 for Tom Daschle, $1,316,670 for Mitch McConnell, $1,022,063 for Bill Frist, etc.

[And this is just for Senate races. For the presidential campaign, Bush's contributions dwarf Kerry's. From paid lobbyists, Bush has received more for the presidential election than Kerry has for the presidential election and all four Senate races combined. So it's sort of weird for the GOP to be attacking Kerry on the money he's received from lobbyists.

[The Republicans know this, of course. It was spelled out right there in the article they quoted. But their claim as stated can be defended as factual (barely), and it makes Kerry look bad by implication, so there you go. That's politics.

[The real problem here is that no one properly defines what a "special interest" is. The GOP ad is counting donations from individuals who are employed as lobbyists. I'm adding every group organized as a PAC. Those are just approximations for a vague subjective term. Is the World Wildlife Federation a "special interest"? Is the National Rifle Association a "special interest"? Is Bob Dole a "special interest"?]

[Back to Geoff:]

And what if a miracle happens and Kerry does get in?

Contrary to prevailing assumptions, it might not change our current (disastrous, IMHO) policies that much after all.

I was particularly alarmed by a point/counterpoint matchup on This Week on ABC today. It's available online at [link to ABC News dual interview].

It reflects -- IMO -- a considerably starker and, frankly, more significant contrast even than I was expecting. Yes, I already knew I preferred Edwards somewhat, when it comes to his philosophy. But I never ever imagined that the two would draw such an extreme contrast when it comes to the questions posed below. They come out farther apart than I even imagined, and the second I read this online, I figured your readers should probably see this startling and unexpected contrast for themselves. I was never quite expecting something like this!

[Lots of quoted material snipped. You can read it all at the ABC site linked above. As I read it -- and if you want to avoid my bias you really ought to judge for yourself -- the gist of it is that Kerry speaks in the traditional language of American geopolitical strategy, whereas Edwards voices a vague internationalism with lots of deference to the world community. I don't see anything specific enough to indicate any real difference in how American force will be deployed.

[But I'm probably not the guy to ask; I'm the weirdo who objects to the foreign policy of every American president since Warren Harding.]

I note here that Kerry's immediate reaction to that Bush sound bite is, "He states the obvious, which we all agree with" and then goes on to demur in certain respects and to elaborate. Edwards, on the other hand, seems more direct: "It shows a level of arrogance that's amazing about how we deal with the rest of the world". Kerry's first reaction is to recognize the sentiment as "obvious" -- something on which I cannot and will not agree with at all, frankly -- while Edwards' first remark appears to be unequivocal (and required, IMHO) outrage.

On the matter of preemption, Kerry's first words are "Every president, from the beginning of time, has had a sufficient doctrine of preemption" going on to put an historical gloss on the (quite radical, IMO) doctrine. Edwards' first words are "I would scrap the preemption doctrine" and he even goes on to imply that, institutionally, the President has always had all the artillery needed (institutional and otherwise) to keep America safe, with no apparent need for preemption -- in other words, ultimately finding pro-active non-consultative preemption unnecessary. Edwards not only responds from a more skeptical place emotionally, but appears to counter Kerry's historical gloss suggesting there is a precedent of sorts (!) for such a doctrine. And I find that refreshing and much needed -- IMO, of course.

These two contrasts do not constitute differences "around the margins" -- something I had been assuming about the two of them for quite a while -- but fundamentally different gut instincts about what this country is supposed to be all about!

I feel uncomfortable ignoring this, and I feel it's a safer bet going with the more straightforward and refreshing alternative that Edwards represents, both an electorally stronger candidate for the fall election and a stronger and more communicative and more inspirational leader as a President, IMO.

[Well, it's all moot now. Kerry has won, and Edwards will be announcing his retirement from the race later this morning. All our talk of strategic voting between the other candidates has proven irrelevant. As Steve Hutton will be quick to point out to me, Kerry won not by any mathematical trickery but by simply collecting by far the most votes. I still say that the media grossly overplayed the mathematical significance of the early contests, but with the number of delegates chosen today, and the overwhelming numbers by which Kerry won them, it's not premature to say the race is over now. Edwards is right to concede now and get out gracefully.

[Regarding your contrast of Edwards' and Kerry's foreign policies, I don't know. It looks to me like Kerry and Edwards both declined to rule out a preemptive strike when required to protect American interests, but both repudiated Bush's policy of pro-active regime change and nation-building. But I have a different focus from yours; I tend not to notice differences in foreign policy.

[I think you're wrong to say that preemptive action is unprecedented in American foreign policy. On the contrary, it's been fairly common, before, during and after the Cold War. Our ousting Mussadiq in Iran in 1953 was preemptive. Our intervention in Guatemala in 1954 was preemptive. Our elimination of Allende in Chile in 1973 was preemptive. Our invasion of Grenada in 1983 was preemptive. Before that, our annexation of Hawaii in 1898 was preemptive, and our purchase of the Danish Virgin Islands in 1917 was preemptive. Most recently, our ousting of Aristide in Haiti is preemptive, and if I might be so bold as to predict, our probably impending ouster of Hugo Chávez in Venezuela will be preemptive as well.

[For most of these, one might reasonably argue that it was a smart policy that served American interests, and on a few of them I might even agree with you. But whether justified or not, it still demonstrates a pattern of the United States using force preemptively to avert a hostile regime gaining power in a region important to us geopolitically.

[Regarding Haiti, the current debate over whether it's really true, as Aristide claims, that he was arrested and forcibly removed by American forces is a convenient media diversion from the more relevant fact that, regardless of the specifics of President Aristide's departure, American support was behind the insurrection that drove him out.]

Postscript: In checking the dates for my list of American interventions, I tried a World Almanac, figuring I could get them all in one book my looking at the short history recaps in the "Nations of the World" section. The events in Iran and Guatemala were not mentioned at all. This in spite of eight paragraphs for Iran covering events 1979 and later. Who is editing this book?!

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